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Hello Tribe,
I've come to ask for some advice. I've recently decided that I can't take desk jobs much more.
I have back problems which have been getting worse for the last year, despite me making an effort to stretch for about an hour before work and a short stretch after work.
Additionally, I have eye problems which results in a lot of pain and blurry vision when I spend prolonged periods on a computer. I've seen doctors about both, and been advised that it's not life threatening.
Both of these together have made me decide to now begin moving towards a career where I can ideally have a fair mix of computer/desk time and moving about to relieve stiffness in my back/joints. I've decided to supress my original urge to quit my current desk job ASAP and will keep it up for another year since it's only 3 days a week and I have a weekend job which affords me a good mix of computer work and breaks. However, since it's in a dusty environment which causes my eyes to swell up, I don't want to do it full time.
During the next year, I plan on paying off my debts (approx £15K) and gain extra A Levels to go back to University and get a 2nd degree. My 1st was in econometrics and I studied it part time over rather a long period.
Does anyone have advice about what field might suit my needs of:
1) A good 50:50 mix (or close enough) of PC/Desk work (recharge my introverted self) and moving about and/or interacting with people.
2) Fixed working hours so I can do my work, finish at 5/5,30pm, go home and switch that off and get on with my real passions/life.
3) A stable field ideally since I am prone to worry as it is and don't want to have to worry about been unemployed. Especially since I haven't been unemployed at all since I turned 16.
4) I'd like a good enough salary to help my family clear their mortgage. Not a huge amount. Knowing that after a few years I would be on the mid/high £30K's would be nice.
I've taken advice from the career change thread and noted that most of my books are about Science, Complementary Medicine/healthy living, Tai Chi and Classical Languages. I also care about the environment and have volunteered as a conservation officer. I've tried to turn this into career thoughts.
I was considering either Dietics or Complementary Health Sciences, both BSCs.
The former is more secure although I get the feeling it might require spending all day dealing with patients which would probably burn me out, despite the pleasure I get in helping other people and seeing them improve.
In terms of complementary health sciences, this is a bit harder since I wouldn't be eligible for any funding for the tuition and it isn't recognised by the NHS as such, so jobs a more reliant on me selling myself and being self employed which is very off putting (I come from a background of seeing self employed relatives going bankrupt and I enjoy working for a large organisation knowing that I can shut off at 5pm and can look forward to having time off from work, i.e. annual leave).
If it helps, I'm academically strong and have good potential. Also, I dislike the idea of being a Massage Therapist since it would cause me problems with my hands/shoulders. Just mentioned since most of the Complementary Health Therapies I see on offer seem to revolve around some form of massage, relexology etc. That or Reiki which I'm also reluctant to pursue.
Many thanks for any advice :)
I've come to ask for some advice. I've recently decided that I can't take desk jobs much more.
I have back problems which have been getting worse for the last year, despite me making an effort to stretch for about an hour before work and a short stretch after work.
Additionally, I have eye problems which results in a lot of pain and blurry vision when I spend prolonged periods on a computer. I've seen doctors about both, and been advised that it's not life threatening.
Both of these together have made me decide to now begin moving towards a career where I can ideally have a fair mix of computer/desk time and moving about to relieve stiffness in my back/joints. I've decided to supress my original urge to quit my current desk job ASAP and will keep it up for another year since it's only 3 days a week and I have a weekend job which affords me a good mix of computer work and breaks. However, since it's in a dusty environment which causes my eyes to swell up, I don't want to do it full time.
During the next year, I plan on paying off my debts (approx £15K) and gain extra A Levels to go back to University and get a 2nd degree. My 1st was in econometrics and I studied it part time over rather a long period.
Does anyone have advice about what field might suit my needs of:
1) A good 50:50 mix (or close enough) of PC/Desk work (recharge my introverted self) and moving about and/or interacting with people.
2) Fixed working hours so I can do my work, finish at 5/5,30pm, go home and switch that off and get on with my real passions/life.
3) A stable field ideally since I am prone to worry as it is and don't want to have to worry about been unemployed. Especially since I haven't been unemployed at all since I turned 16.
4) I'd like a good enough salary to help my family clear their mortgage. Not a huge amount. Knowing that after a few years I would be on the mid/high £30K's would be nice.
I've taken advice from the career change thread and noted that most of my books are about Science, Complementary Medicine/healthy living, Tai Chi and Classical Languages. I also care about the environment and have volunteered as a conservation officer. I've tried to turn this into career thoughts.
I was considering either Dietics or Complementary Health Sciences, both BSCs.
The former is more secure although I get the feeling it might require spending all day dealing with patients which would probably burn me out, despite the pleasure I get in helping other people and seeing them improve.
In terms of complementary health sciences, this is a bit harder since I wouldn't be eligible for any funding for the tuition and it isn't recognised by the NHS as such, so jobs a more reliant on me selling myself and being self employed which is very off putting (I come from a background of seeing self employed relatives going bankrupt and I enjoy working for a large organisation knowing that I can shut off at 5pm and can look forward to having time off from work, i.e. annual leave).
If it helps, I'm academically strong and have good potential. Also, I dislike the idea of being a Massage Therapist since it would cause me problems with my hands/shoulders. Just mentioned since most of the Complementary Health Therapies I see on offer seem to revolve around some form of massage, relexology etc. That or Reiki which I'm also reluctant to pursue.
Many thanks for any advice :)
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Re: Career change - advice sought please
Mon, October 5, 2009 - 7:34 AMGiven the current global economic situation I'd recommend first and foremost something with really good job security, i,e, a job that isn't connected to consumer demand so much. A job that is more connected to necessities than to luxuries. -
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Mon, October 5, 2009 - 7:50 AMThanks for the response Waylon. It is due to the way the World is stuctured (for whatever reason), that when I was working on an action plan with a careers coach, one of the 3 main points in it was "job security/outlook".
This is one of the reasons I feel that maybe Health Care is the way to go. I would ideally prefer Complementary Health Care if I could rely on the NHS for work, however this not being the case, maybe it's better if I did something else within the Health Services. Only problem is that I wanted to find a good mix between helping patients etc and having time to recharge (maybe writing up reports etc).
I'm too disenchanted with the pharmaceutical industry to go into pharmacy, and don't really have the time to become a GP/MD, assuming I could overcome my preference from Complementary vs Allopathic Medicine.
I have also been reading various articles on recession proof jobs and trying to match this with the work conditions I need so I don't physically kill myself bit by bit. Health Services seemed to be the only one. Teaching was another secure field but I KNOW that would burn me out. -
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Re: Career change - advice sought please
Mon, October 5, 2009 - 11:00 AM-Get a Masters in Social Work Administration.
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Re: Career change - advice sought please
Tue, October 6, 2009 - 7:23 AMThats for the ideas. I think Social Work Admin will basically involve me at a desk helping to direct social workers/cases etc, so sounds like another desk job - yuck (although Social Work is definitely a field which will always need employees regardless of economic climate).
Law School would not be for me. Most INFJs I've read about don't enjoy law, and I imagine it would involve of lot of desk time researching and preparing for cases? Could be wrong though. -
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Re: Career change - advice sought please
Tue, October 6, 2009 - 11:39 AMCould be wrong. You never know till you try. Most people are not INFJs, so often things that are hard to them are not necessarily as hard to us.
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Re: Career change - advice sought please
Wed, October 7, 2009 - 9:20 AMYou might consider reading "Do What You Are : Discover the Perfect Career for You Through the Secrets of Personality Type--Revised and Updated Edition Featuring E-careers for the 21st Century " by Paul Tieger and Barbara Barron-Tieger.
It helped me TREMENDOUSLY and was very inspiring as change is scary and hard. I'm not NFJ, but experienced the same desk job dissatisfaction. I find most offices have a very SJ structure that drives me to the very edge of insanity! I am extremely sensitive to negative emotions in people even when they are unexpressed and it can drain me, which is why I hate office jobs, and I personally hate the routine, I also hate office gossip, cliques, ladder climbing, dog eat dog, wearing a business suit and synthetic fabrics, I hate florescent lights and used to have terrible eye problems. I have anti-reflective coating on my eyeglasses and that helps a lot, but I think good ole sunshine is the best medicine for my eyes.
I was a Senior Admin Assistant for 9 years, and completely switched to became a technology trainer even though I am not degreed. I was always stressed out and missed a lot of work because of sick days. Now I love going to work! My students give me awesome evaluations - many commenting that I am the best instructor they have ever had, and that they love my enthusiasm. I can't hide how happy I am. I set my own schedule for the most part, and work mostly 3 days a week, but occasionally 4 days maximum. I can also do projects from home as a contractor so I don't have to be around people for days at a time which causes me stress and burnout - which is wonderful for me. I can spend time in the garden and commune with nature, spend time with my pets, read, sleep, exercise, etc. The nice thing is that when I am teaching I am talking at - not TO people - it's not an exchange per se - therefore I am not tapped out too much emotionally which is soooo important for "I" types especially intuitives. I only really talk to the students on breaks which are only 15 minutes long, or I make myself invisible during the breaks. I eat lunch alone, so I can come down a bit and recharge before needing to be back up. Clients request classes and if I feel burnout coming on, I turn down the work so I can have time to myself in my cave. I can also advertise online to find projects.
It sounds like you're on the right path for your type, hopefully you will find happiness and enjoy what you do.
Much success...
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Wed, October 7, 2009 - 12:46 PMThanks Meki, that's a very thoughful and informative reply. I most definitely agree on sunshine been the best medicine for my eyes too. One perk of my current office job is having plenty of windows, including one next to my desk so I can take intermittent breaks from staring at the screen. I like what you say you do on the days when you work from home on projects, it sounds like a dream come true!
In particular I'm impressed you get such good evaluation by talking at and not to the students...I thought the concensus teaching method encourages the latter. I guess you must have refined your individual way of getting the info across in an effective manner. I'm curious as to what being a technology trainer entails..? Normally when I attend computer training sessions for my workplace, it involves us and the teacher all working with computers, one per person, while he/she shows us on their computer (connected to a projector) what we should be doing.
Anyway, thanks for the encouragement, I feel so much more positive since I made this decision and am also happier in my current desk job knowing it is only for the next year or 2 whilst I prepare financially and academically for another bout at University. Plus I do have a fantastic team I work with at present. -
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Wed, October 7, 2009 - 4:57 PMVedic wrote:
"I'm curious as to what being a technology trainer entails..? Normally when I attend computer training sessions for my workplace, it involves us and the teacher all working with computers, one per person, while he/she shows us on their computer (connected to a projector) what we should be doing. "
Yes Vedic, that is EXACTLY what I do, but what I mean is I am not having heart-to-heart life conversations with people. I have a oval/round face and big eyes, and smile a lot, therefore people just open up and pour out their life stories to me, or want to be around me to get whatever it is that I've got, and it is sooooo draining. I give people instructions, ask if they are with me (a confirmation which is simply a head nod), tell anecdotes to illustrate my points, tell nerdy jokes that only I get unless I am teaching fellow nerds, conclude and go home. It's great! I also don't have to teach exactly by the courseware book. Meaning if I see an explanation for a concept which I don't like, I'll tell the class - As I was developing my lesson plan, I noticed the book says blah blah blah, however, I'm going to be teaching it differently - let's do this! I am very aggressive and I love it! I even warn the students in advance that they will be observing me having "nerd moments" so bear with me. They get a kick out of it, and are allowed to laugh as many people don't get to have a real genuine laugh at work or in classes normally.
You're welcome for the encouragement and I hope you are able to maintain your positive mentality. It will still be challenging making a change, but as long as the change you make is according to your type, you are really vested, and you make it a point to be an expert at whatever you change to doing, it will be a good move. I know personally I am no longer pressured to try to conform, and that has been most refreshing for me. I feel free and liberated. Money doesn't mean a lot to me, so I don't mind living a simple life in order to maintain an artist's lifestyle. Sometimes I don't work for a couple of weeks. Many people cannot live a lifestyle where they don't know from month to month and week to week how much money they will make. It frightens no terrifies them. I'm fine with it. Although I have hit some financial rough spots, after living like this I just can't go back to 9 to 5ing it. I was offered an almost 6 figured salary this year and I turned it down. I just didn't want to sacrifice my time, piece of mind and contentment for mere paper. My time is more valuable to me than money. I'll just enjoy ramen noodles and vegetables from time to time...(wink)
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Re: Career change - advice sought please
Wed, October 7, 2009 - 8:25 PMHey Vedic, I'm going the other way in career change - from Ayurvedic clinician/holistic counselor to computer hardware tech. It seems that I live Ayurveda and art but don't want to do either for pay anymore). So, the computer stuff, right now, seems to be feeding that untapped part of my brain. A career, I'm finding, doesn't have to mean a life long plan just means you do it until you need to be challenged in another direction.
Moral of the story, doing things that trigger all your desires and gifts works well. Some INFJs I know do a few careers to keep themselves balanced and fed on all levels. A great marketable skill that is in the non-mainstream medical field is Physical Therapy. My husband does work Chi Kung and ideas of living holistically into his practice The great part about OT/COTA or PT/PTA is that you usually find jobs in the best locations as the most need is in places where people retire. You can work in hospitals, Skilled nursing facilities, Outpatient or Alternative Care Centers. All are quite different and have different gifts/challenges and levels of allopathic to holistic focuses.
After working around a lot of different holistic practitioners. I'd say getting a degree in something that is covered by insurance would make you more marketable (even if later you pursue training in alternative field). With your more technical mind the PT masters degree might be a fun challenge but then again a PTA degree (BA) is still good money. With either you have the flexibility of being a traveler (like traveling nurses) and making even better money and traveling to interesting locals. Husband keeps talking about changing careers but then realizes he likes staying at a PTA level as there is less stress and less responsibility so he can still enjoy his weekends and his varied interests after work, plus the money is nice.
Meki, sounds like an interesting book, I'll look for it next time I'm at the bookstore. Thanks
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Re: Career change - advice sought please
Thu, October 8, 2009 - 6:09 AMWhy do INFJs keep changing careers?
EVERY job sucks anyway; why not just suck it up and stay with one?
I guess we desperately need change now and then.
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Sat, October 10, 2009 - 11:42 AMThanks for the insight. A few years ago, I decided to ditch the idea of pursuing Ayurveda as a career for the same reasons that you mention, i.e. I felt comfortable learning about it for myself and my family in my spare time and seeking a more secure field so that I had the money and leisure time to do so. Physiotherapy is a bit too hands on for me. Also, as I mentioned, due to back issues, I am sure that PT would cause problems which shoulders, back and hands.
The only reason I started looking into an Ayurvedic career again is the exasperation of finding a job in the "1st world" which meets a few simple requirements:
9-5 (or close enough, and fixed if pos)
A good balance of desk time and interacting with people - IDEALLY on my feet and moving to alleviate back pain
At most 50-60% of work day spent on a computer due to eye problems
Job Security
However it seems impossible to find a job which matches this! It does exasperate me at times, like me and this world are incompatible or something! I know I could get a shop assistant job or something, but it seems a waste of excellent academic potential, IQ (I know this isn't necessarily a good measure of intelligence, but still...) and the investment family made into my education as a child. Plus I need a reasonable wage to pay of the mortgage in a realistic timeframe, not even anywhere near half a 6 figure salary (UK £) or anything!
What was said about the technology trainer sounds cool, especially the lifestyle it seems to afford, but to be honest even the idea of talking AT people for prolonged periods exhausts me. My voice goes pretty quickly. One of my jobs is customer facing and by lunch time, my voice is going and my throat hurts. Sorry to sound like a wimp, but it's the reality I deal with. -
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Sat, October 10, 2009 - 2:39 PMAs per Ed's comment about why we change fields so much, I just took a test on BRAIN DOMINANCE. It was 30 questions long and I came out 15 strong on each side. This also matches career training tests I've taken that come out detecting/artistic - no jobs listed for this combination. Maybe this is an INFJ thing, I'm not sure.
The UPSIDE of a balanced brain is the ability to see all sides and to be able to style flex in almost any direction. So, we make great diplomats and can jump in and learn almost any job (arts to electronics to auto mechanics). Jack of all trades, master of none comes to mind. The downside is being open to two extremely different directions causes so many possibilities that one can feel overwhelmed and not be able to move in any direction...especially as one direction tends to negate the other and we need both sides to be stimulated.
A lady once told me that the best way for me to find my direction is by neti, neti (not this, not that/this). Now I understand why.
An INFJ woman I know is a writer for this reason. She writes for blogs and such and gets to research information in all different directions. Oh, my husband wanted to mention to you that not all OT, PT, Speech therapist directions are as physically demanding. Plus if you have desires for any career it is a good idea to be around it for a few hours and see how it "feels" for you (yeah, he understands the INFJ need to feel a situation - after all these years with me ;).
p.s. I feel your frustration Vedic. I'm in the same boat so am taking community college classes to play out ideas of a possible direction (before investing the time and money). I know it can be discouraging but remember, sometimes just choosing ANY direction and being with it for awhile will help the mind settle out of its lost-in-the-middle way, short circuiting status.
p.s.s. There is a field out called Information Design (technical writers now are desired that can create as well as understand the technical side of things - think XML and Single Source Publishing, technical writing...). Looking forward to hearing your possibilities. -
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Sat, October 10, 2009 - 7:47 PMInteresting. I would guess that I am also a detecting/artistic personality. I haven't found a career suitable for me yet, but I am a resource to my friends whenever they have questions about psychology or life.
Yeah, it is tough to find a perfect career. I can only think of real estate being a field where people can get away from the desk as well as work at a desk if needed. But that is definitely not a field for everyone.
I think although intelligent minds should not be wasted, not everyone finds their jobs to utilize their maximum potential. I keep thinking of all these brilliant singers/performers who spent years being waitresses or some other kind of serving position. -
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Wed, October 14, 2009 - 11:44 AMHi Nicole,
I suppose I never considered real estate. The only downside about that would be the sales side. I'm not really driven by sales at all!
Michelle,
You are right about commiting to some studies and just hoping things fall into place could be the way to go. However there's also the expense associated with the studies (for university studies) and the time required for the pre-university exams (hard to juggle with working fulltime and also being able to relax and pursue various intellectual puruits, hobbies etc which define so many INFJs). In a way, I'm doing all the research which I should have done when I did my 1st degree which is to intentionally define the working conditions (well these are thrust on me this time due to ailments), ethically conscious work, job security etc. Previously I just thought Econometrics = something in finance = lots of money! I guess I've woken up since then.
I'll keep everyone posted. I've tried to speak to a local hospital about some work shadowing so far to see if any roles fit and and still trying to read various job ads to see what suits my requirements and ability.
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Wed, October 14, 2009 - 11:46 AMApologies Michelle, I missed the post about the Information Design field. Downside about that is it sounds computer based which is what I'm trying to get away from! Or is this something you are looking at? -
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Re: Career change - advice sought please
Wed, October 14, 2009 - 7:46 PMWell, hmmm...another interesting direction for a tech mind would be solar tech.
I have friends in that business some sell systems, some install systems and some do the paperwork and still others do more of the designing of the systems. Then again some do a bit of all of it. In Northern CA solar power is staying steady and true (I hear though that some hot dogger companies didn't make it through the slump). Down in central CA windpower is starting to finally take root not sure how these things are in your neck of the woods but still interesting directions - especially as many Green building companies are now moving together under one roof (green architects, builders, designers, solar companies, natural paints etc.). I helped clients create non-toxic home and business renovations so worked around these folks a lot.
On a plane a year or so ago we met a guy who helps companies come into compliance with new environmental laws. He had an Environmental degree and was pretty much writing his own ticket.
I'm just throwing out ideas to see if any of them trip your inner wisdom wire. When it does happen you'll probably have a Eureka moment...still waiting for mine but I can hear some vibrations on the wire at this moment :D -
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Mon, October 19, 2009 - 8:16 AMHi Michelle,
Thanks for the food for thought. I don't think I am strong enough to make it in fitting solar panels (I'm pretty slender and less than average in height). I also think that UK is not the best market for solar panels!
Regarding being an environmental consultant, that could work...however not sure how stable the work is. Anyway, I will research that area on my next day off. I'm glad to hear that you are approaching a eureka moment :)
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