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As INFJs, does being tactful come very naturally to you?
This is one of the INFJ traits that makes me second guess whether I am an INFJ.
I can be very direct, sometimes to the point of bluntness - especially in argument/conflict (I hate conflict). I think it has to do with my home environment growing up (I just turned 24) and being around a very blunt/aggressive/direct/insensitive parent figure. I'm very sensitive to my environment to the point of adopting some characteristics of the person I'm around. And I had VERY few outside influences from whom to learn other ways of communicating - I'm very quiet and reserved in social situations, so home is where I learned to communicate (which is truly unfortunate). The older I get, the more people I interact with which allows me to pick up more social skills so I am becoming more and more sensitive, thankfully learning the art of tact and diplomacy. Still, I wonder if being tactful should have come naturally to me despite my home environment or if the environment simply overpowered my natural inclinations.
Also, maybe it is what I view as my lack of social skills, but I feel like I just don't know what to say to people when interacting with them and I don't necessarily know how to respond to people when I know they are upset - and I've read widely that INFJs tend to be able to intuitively know what other people are thinking (feeling?). I feel like I can read people very well - again, I'm not sure how accurate this is. But given how many INFJs end up in counselling occupations, it makes me feel like surely they must have good interpersonal skills and the ability to talk to people, which I feel like I so greatly lack.
Any ideas?
This is one of the INFJ traits that makes me second guess whether I am an INFJ.
I can be very direct, sometimes to the point of bluntness - especially in argument/conflict (I hate conflict). I think it has to do with my home environment growing up (I just turned 24) and being around a very blunt/aggressive/direct/insensitive parent figure. I'm very sensitive to my environment to the point of adopting some characteristics of the person I'm around. And I had VERY few outside influences from whom to learn other ways of communicating - I'm very quiet and reserved in social situations, so home is where I learned to communicate (which is truly unfortunate). The older I get, the more people I interact with which allows me to pick up more social skills so I am becoming more and more sensitive, thankfully learning the art of tact and diplomacy. Still, I wonder if being tactful should have come naturally to me despite my home environment or if the environment simply overpowered my natural inclinations.
Also, maybe it is what I view as my lack of social skills, but I feel like I just don't know what to say to people when interacting with them and I don't necessarily know how to respond to people when I know they are upset - and I've read widely that INFJs tend to be able to intuitively know what other people are thinking (feeling?). I feel like I can read people very well - again, I'm not sure how accurate this is. But given how many INFJs end up in counselling occupations, it makes me feel like surely they must have good interpersonal skills and the ability to talk to people, which I feel like I so greatly lack.
Any ideas?
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Re: Tactful, people skills, and INFJ?
Sun, May 4, 2008 - 5:25 PMhm, i can be pretty blunt too, mostly however quite sensetive, tactful and diplomatic....I believe there is moments of bluntness when i sense something that is hidden/a lie/ a subtle weird vibe/something that is off or rubs me the wrong way .....
blessings
Sue
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Re: Tactful, people skills, and INFJ?
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 8:06 AM"This is one of the INFJ traits that makes me second guess whether I am an INFJ."
I've used this metaphore a zillion times (enough that most folks on Tribe are sick of hearing it), but a personality type is like a color in a 16 pack of crayons. I don't think I've ever seen anything in the real world that was the exact same color as Crayola Red, but it's still useful to have those colors in my vocabulary for describing things. You can use the colors in a 16 pack to describe just about everything in the world. On the other hand, just looking around my desk here I've counted 34 things that I would describe as "red", but no two are the exact same color. In fact, some are very different from others, but they still have some sort of "redness" to them, or at least enough redness that I woudn't describe them as pink, purple, or orange. So not everything in the INFJ description will always apply to everyone (since personality types are descriptions, not all-encompassing boxes that define every aspect of our lives). It's just a matter of figuring out which of these "colors" best describes you. You might even eventually decide that you're more red-orange and fit snugly in between two colors. -
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Re: Tactful, people skills, and INFJ?
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 8:08 PMThanks Waylon. I think I've actually read your coloured-crayon metaphor a couple of times while going through the discussion topics :P Great way of explaining it!
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Re: Tactful, people skills, and INFJ?
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 1:49 PMI *completely* feel you on every aspect of this, even the insensitive parent. We might be long-lost twins or something. :-) Anyway, I'm defnitely an INFJ, and my tendency to really respect honest communication sometimes leads to bluntness. It's never intended to be hurtful, but if I have to choose between honesty and diplomacy in an important situation, I always tell the truth. I think this goes along with integrity being a major value for many INFJs.
I'm getting better at knowing *how* to say what I want to say so it is accepted better instead of offending someone. I'm 25 and still learning this also. It seems like the 20s is a time for major secondary personality characteristics to grow.
I also think there's often a big gap between reading people and knowing what to say to help/diffuse difficult situations. You are definitely not alone in that, either! I am pretty good at knowing what people are feeling, but often don't know how they will react to things unless I am close to them. Also, sometimes people just get irritated if you hit too close to what they're actually feeling! -
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Re: Tactful, people skills, and INFJ?
Thu, May 8, 2008 - 8:19 PMYou just might be on to something when you mentioned integrity, Rachel. I've never thought about it in that way before, but maybe it does have to do with integrity and values!
Thanks! It's nice to know someone can relate and understand. Though if you can relate, is that a good thing for you? lol
What do you mean by secondary personality characteristics? I've heard that our tertiary and 4th functions strengthen later in life, which I guess for INFJs would be the thinking and sensing functions, but I can't think of any connections between these and tact, unless it is being able to not respond emotionally (F) but remain slightly objective? LOL now I feel like I am pulling things out of the air.. I get the feeling this isn't what you were referring to.
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Re: Tactful, people skills, and INFJ?
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 3:14 AMI don't think you lack the ability to talk to people. Your bluntness is an aspect of the natural "counselor" in INFJs. I mean, we have to bring a bit or reality to a situation when telling people what's going on. However, I am a firm believer that your environment has a dramatic impact on shaping you. You surround yourself with people who are uplifting, you pick up uplifting traits. You surround yourself with people who are not uplifting, it has the opposite effect. Why do you think people feel more comfortable in a good neighborhood than a bad one? Why is it that certain cities just "do it for you" versus others. And most commonly, why is it certain jobs just suck and others are "life-changing?"
I just got of the military, and just by nature of the position, it brought all the bluntness and directness I could handle and then some. It was part of the job. I understood that. But spiritually, I was dying. Now, I'm a full time Grad student pursuing Writing or whatever is out there better for me, and I love it far more than the military. Change of environment, I tell you.
You know how to talk to people. You just got to get away from the distraction and key up the way you're naturally wired and go with it. -
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Re: Tactful, people skills, and INFJ?
Fri, May 9, 2008 - 7:42 AMI often find I'm being unintentionally blunt, and am surprised when people take offense at what I meant as helpful advice or constructive criticism. I suppose this may be due to the fact that I tend to analyse people's behaviour/motivations (I guess the 'Councillor' persona), but not from an objective, intellectual position, but in terms of both intellect and emotion, using intuition to perceive what that person may be thinking/feeling 'beneath the surface'. Why others may think this is blunt/tactless is, as someone suggested, because we (INFJs) may be likely to 'hit the nail on the head' and accurately read into someone's inner feelings, which may hit too close to home (people don't always like the truth), and also because people (maybe mainly Extroverts?) may not like someone working with their inner selves in this way. To an extrovert this may seem like the invasion of emotional/psychic space, while to an introvert it's just the way we're used to seeing things, ourselves and others. Perhaps...?
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Re: Tactful, people skills, and INFJ?
Sun, May 18, 2008 - 10:03 AMNo, i think tactfulness comes with experience in how you deal with various types of people. understanding their emotions is the first step, knowing how to act upon that understanding correctly is the second...
Treating others how you want to be treated is a good generic start. INFJs are rather sensitive... if you can treat others the way you want to be treated, you'll be okay in most cases. The next thing you should do is to try and understand what people actually want and not just their current emotional state. Some people are seeking comfort and understanding, others for help. Make sure you understand what they are looking for from you... and finally what you want to do for them. giving something they don't want will upset them, but it may in fact be exactly what they need. -
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Re: Tactful, people skills, and INFJ?
Mon, May 19, 2008 - 6:39 AMkris: "giving something they don't want will upset them, but it may in fact be exactly what they need."
There's a big difference between needs and wants, isn't there?
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Re: Tactful, people skills, and INFJ?
Mon, May 19, 2008 - 7:42 AMI am a naturally very blunt person. But I know how to shut my yap when people don't want to hear anything I have to say, or if the thing I have to say is truly nasty.
But if someone's being absolutely stupid, making bad decisions, then i'll get very very blunt. It's a conscious effort to jar them back to reality and making better decisions for their lives. It generally makes them think, and come to my conclusions, but people make bad decisions because they WANT to, and it reaches some strange, maladaptive comfort zone for them. Oh well, at least they know they're being stupid.
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Re: Tactful, people skills, and INFJ?
Mon, May 19, 2008 - 8:33 AMTalking about colors, the test results are just your preferences in a percentage Scala. So i guess not everyone of us is that much intuitive or in my case i sometimes feel I'm some kind of chameleon :D since my percentage is rather in the middle. I find this peculiarity to be the result of me growing up quite fast, and my ability to adapt perfectly to any given situation. I remember how i always tended (since i was a kid) to interact with people older then me, specially with grown ups and actually i kind of found old people rather interesting and wise :D (they always told me how i was quite "old" for my age :P)
Still i find most of the traits in the INFJ to be present in my character/personality. You will notice with the time you will tend to be more in the middle of the Scala (My test results are still the same as 5 years ago, only not that much extreme anymore); that doesn't mean you are losing yourself, it is to some extent the process of facing directly your fears and weakness. That's what maturity is all about. (in my opinion :D)
In my case i was actually kind of forced to face my problems, my father being an ISTJ and my mother ENTJ they had always so hard expectations for me and my brother (a little more in me since I'm the eldest one...). Well they actually still have, I've always have them in my back kind of pushing me to reach my goals faster, and make quick decisions.
It's not easy to have insensitive parents, i feel you, they were always comparing themselves with me and each other, as some kind of challenge to see who was the utmost intelligent. That was (is still) really harsh specially for an NF child who was looking for emotional acceptance the whole time, and didn't get least a bit.
Anyway i don't cry for myself (at least not anymore :D), the thing is i had to push myself to be a ST and find out quickly enough it is for us really easy to put ourselves in any kind of position, using Introverted Intuition we understand things rather easily and spontaneous without us knowing exactly why.
So when we socialize with someone we get bombarded by infos and seriously thats quite disturbing so we usually tend to not care about who we are talking with; we focus ourselves in getting as much infos as possible and then use our extroverted feeling to neglect ideas we already had heard without giving them a chance to be a part of our general frame we are about to give the individual with whom we are talking to. Now that's the problem since we are using our judgment to give ourselves a rather false interpretation of the character we are having a conversation with and by this means we are discriminating his personality, not giving him/her a chance to interact with us; and since we usually are right (because of our high intuitive level) we are cheating ourselves without even noticing it!!
So when socializing you should do two things:
1) Pay attention who are you talking to, think about how this individual has personality traits of his/her own and try to identify which portrait is the one he's most near to. You will then see conversations will turn quite interesting you will start asking more questions (please no small talk here :D) to find real answer and interest; if something is not totally clear stop (here come the second step):
2) Use your judgment to judge your own intuition about what you are perceiving, don't suppress information with your Extroverted Feeling! if it's not clear enough ask again! if you cut off information then your aren't really understanding what you are treating with. Let the infos flow trough your intuitive self and just when they all have been processed use your Extroverted Feeling to judge this perceptions.
In this way you should become fast enough a social person; remember the only thing you need to do is suppress your judgment until you are fully aware of who you are talking to and what the concept idea is all about.
You will soon enough find yourself in internal duels, challenging your own intuition :D which only could be for good, by this means your intuition level should become better and better.
at this point we should use our blessing Judgment in the right way
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Re: Tactful, people skills, and INFJ?
Fri, May 23, 2008 - 8:17 PMI was absolutely terrible at small talk until, hm, my thirties?! I still am not great at it. I think INFJ's (and INFP's, and INTJ's, for that matter) tend to feel like we lack social skills simply because we cannot stand small talk--we're no good at superficial, casual chatting. I remember as a teenager, I was so distracted by what I was "reading" off a person--so distracted by their tone of voice, the subtly shifting facial expressions, etc.--that sometimes I literally could not talk AT ALL, because I had too much information (I knew how they were feeling) and I was confused by the difference between what they were saying and how they felt. It's very hard to have normal social interactions with people you don't know well when you're picking up on their emotions and you don't WANT superficial interactions.
But being able to make idle chit-chat or small talk is just one type of social skill. (It certainly is NOT the social skill that good therapists have!). The kind of social skills we INFJs have are much deeper. We empathize, we listen better than almost anyone else, we can make people feel comfortable, we understand what makes people tick.
And, one final note--we tend to grow into these skills, rather than having them right off the bat. As kids we're sensitive, and this culture is not a great fit for us. So unless we grew up in a family that WAS a good fit for our personality type, we didn't really learn how to be ourselves; we learned how we were "supposed to be"--i.e. we tried to learn to act like a "normal" person, which just does not work for us. (How can the rarest of all personality types possibly be a "normal" person?!). So it takes time for us to grow into ourselves--by which I mean, to really get to know and accept ourselves, and become comfortable in our own skin. That's the first stage of our growth. The ability to interact easily with other people comes as a result of that first stage. -
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Re: Tactful, people skills, and INFJ?
Fri, May 23, 2008 - 9:59 PMI must totally agree on that, at the moment i decided it was just too much work to keep on trying to be as expected from the other people is when i really could start to appreciate myself and noticed how the other people actually liked me because of my special traits and not because of all the "i want to be normal" infos i was getting from everywhere else i looked for :D
We do have the ability to interact; i do identify myself with the matter of paying attention to others. It was just so hard as a child to pay attention at things I could tell weren't true. Or having to hear nonsense and contradictions from my friends while all along i already had the answer to their problems.
But as you grow old the people in your vicinity do too, so they start to notice more and more how they should pay attention to you and this feeling gives you enough self-confidence to develop your people skills.
I always hated small talk so i don't do that at all just jump to the "get to really now you" phase, and people appreciate it too; the truth is most of the people just hate small talks (not only INFJ's), still they do that because they need to feel connected to the world, and sometimes because they have the false idea that doing so is a polite thing to do. So when i jump to the next phase people start to think of you as a much more open interesting guy (funny thing since I'm not opening myself that much). -
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Re: Tactful, people skills, and INFJ?
Sat, May 24, 2008 - 5:08 PMThe strange thing is that I USED to be an excellent listener. For an entire year in a new school, it was a common belief that I was mute. They couldn't have been more wrong. ;)
But I don't listen now. I'm terrible at remembering things...words spoken. I'm often too busy reading their eyes or...their emotions. What they're saying doesn't really matter to me unless it's something that is emotional. 'Tell so and so I'm looking for them' goes in one ear and out the other with scarce more than an 'mm hmm' and quick forgetting. But someone who comes to me and says 'I have a problem and I don't know how to fix it'...that will get my attention and I'll actually listen to what they're saying.
If someone comes to talk to me with lots of anxiety and nerves and anger, my mind shuts them out entirely and I end up putting my face down and saying 'I don't care right now'. It's not professional in the work environment, but it's something that's become really obvious to me lately. I can't process nerves quickly, I just can't. They overload my system like a blown fuse. -
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Re: Tactful, people skills, and INFJ?
Sun, May 25, 2008 - 1:39 PMIt is of my belief that we INFJ's tend to avoid conversation because of our strong opinionated attitude. Rather then caring and listening what other people have to say, we tend to believe they couldn't tell us something new or something what would actually surprise us, so we just don't mind listening anymore, the question we make to ourselves is: what's in for us??
Then again if someone asks for our help, we might see it as a chance to show our abilities and in some way presume how well we understand people. Many of us tend to feel that ego-booster when catching how impressed people get by our help, and that motivates us to keep on helping (in a rather selfish way). That doesn't mean we are bad people, it's just our extroverted Feeling that makes us feel the need of being appreciated by people in a sensitive way.
My theory would be that's exactly the same cause for the consequence of us being such good listeners since young ages.
In your case Lexie, that good listening ability could have been your subconscious reaction (of our introverted type) to make friends in the new school environment. Later on when you noticed or decided it wasn't that important to be accepted by the others, as for accepting yourself, you just cut the ability, dismissing it as "not necessary anymore". This could have taken you from one point to exactly the other making you rather uninterested and sometimes having the feeling you are just losing your time when talking with people.
The other thing is we hate being so agitated all the time; because of our precise planing of everything and our perfectionist attitude we lean to be anxious for our plans not to flow as smoothly as we thing they could and should. So when someone with extreme anxiety comes to us in a need of help, we have the notion of rejecting it. We normally like to help others, as the most of us are good humanitarians we know it's easy for us and may want to use our free will to use our talents and feel in a rush of energy. On the other hand, when people come to us in an, at some extent, needy way we might feel as if we were obligated to help them. This feel of obligation we interpret as more perfection required and by this means more anxiety for us.
But our subconscious finds the fastest way not to fell like that, we just block that information from coming into us by shutting down our empath trait. A somewhat practical but hypocrite way in my opinion. :D
By the way I'm trying to keep an objective view from ourselves, hope you don't get the feeling i like to insult myself or any of us (there it goes again this perfectionist addiction and know I'm being apologetic for something i just didn't mean :D... oh where does it stop!! :P). -
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Re: Tactful, people skills, and INFJ?
Mon, May 26, 2008 - 9:59 AMI don't insult too easily. ;)
Interesting interpretation. I suppose I always want to believe the best of my own intentions, but I give you, it's entirely possible that I feel that giving someone advice would make me 'glow' more than passing along a message. Hm. It's like I'm subconsciously ambitious after all!
I do feel that it's more the energy that the nervous/overloading people come at me with though. I do run on a sort of anticipation/nerves/perfection wavelength, and their agitation just sends me through the roof. I can't even look at them or listen to them without freaking out myself. In a way you addressed it but more from a logical or demonstratable pov...just wanted to clarify that in my mind, it's definitely just the vibe, the energy...though it may be different for you and others.
My gut reaction to someone needing help, no matter their approach seems to be 'ugh, not again!'...but after they tell me what they need, I'm perky and happy to help again. I think that ties in with your later paragraph.
Question: do you find yourself publicly second-guessing yourself but knowing your right (but double checking that on the off chance you may be wrong, you don't want to feel that humiliation)? I have this morbid fear of being wrong. I mean, it happens often enough that I know I won't die...but I really don't ever want to be proven wrong by anyone...it's sort of weird.
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Re: Tactful, people skills, and INFJ?
Mon, June 9, 2008 - 5:24 AMI am the same, I speak my thoughts and wear my heart on my sleeve, and it is really disliked by other people. I have learnt to refrain from speaking though if I think something horrid or very very inappropriate. I am hopeless in conversation with most people and don't really know what to say, it all seems quite superficial to me most of the time. My childhood was not great at home and I withdrew inside. I am more empathic and intuitive than I used to be but I think it is underdeveloped as a result of withdrawing too much. How can I strengthen my intuitiveness or will it just get stronger as I get older?