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Do you think P's enjoy life more? From my experience with most P's it seems they enjoy life more or maybe they just avoid negative emotions or thoughts, making lemonade from lemons ect. Whenever I seem to share my life experiences or insight into people or a situation most P's say something witty and up beat, like:
"everything has a reason"and "I'm sure things will work out".
Although I do like a positive attitude sometimes it's annoying like they don't see the seriousness of the situation now and that sometimes things don't just work out. I think I would appreciate this mentality or attitude more if there was an actual realistic plan of action or advice given to make things work out. I always want to say, " ok so that sounds great, how do you propose we get from here to there? ....Oh you have no idea....that's great....."
Anyone have similar experiences or opinion.
"everything has a reason"and "I'm sure things will work out".
Although I do like a positive attitude sometimes it's annoying like they don't see the seriousness of the situation now and that sometimes things don't just work out. I think I would appreciate this mentality or attitude more if there was an actual realistic plan of action or advice given to make things work out. I always want to say, " ok so that sounds great, how do you propose we get from here to there? ....Oh you have no idea....that's great....."
Anyone have similar experiences or opinion.
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Re: A P's take on life.
Mon, August 10, 2009 - 7:20 AMShif,
I understand completely where you are coming from. My brother is an ENFP, my mom is an ISTP, and a few of my friends are ENFPs. I like their laid-back attitude, but when we really need to get something done, they goof around or rapidly change subjects. This I believe is not the case for all P's. For example, from my experience with ESTP's, they are always moving forward trying to get the job done. But, P's do generally seem to take a more positive view on life, perhaps because they have developed this habit of not worrying so much all of their lives that it just seems like it comes naturally to them to "ride the edge" and not to worry or panic so much to J's, but I am sure they have some negative emotions that just aren't as evident to J's.
The way I like to think of it Shif is like when I have a few drinks in me. When I am buzzed or perhaps mildly drunk (I am not an alcoholic), I tend not to worry as much and be more positive and laid back. Just think of P's kind of going through life in a mildly buzzed state, where their negative emotions will come at the end of a project that they did not do so well at, where they say "what did I do wrong?", of "what happened?" At that point the Judging person who got done what needed to get done and did well says, in a positive upbeat tone, "what do you think happened, dumbass, you goofed around and waited till the last second to do your work."
That's all I got for now.
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Re: A P's take on life.
Mon, August 10, 2009 - 8:39 AMI've had some problems with my father regarding that. Other people too, but my father is a repeat offender when it comes to that. I remember once telling him how I felt very overly pressured by some things and that it was at an unsustainable level (i.e. breakdown imminent). All he said was "you're tougher than you think.". The problem is that I know almost exactly where my sustainable limit is. Essentially the message that came across was "no, you're wrong, this is nothing and nothing of what you feel matters, just keep machining away". As you can imagine that's a terrible thing to say.
The thing is, I find that pessimism is often right, and so do studies (if you don't mind me getting academic for a moment here). It's almost as if they'll never learn either, that when they screw up it's exactly because they haven't really thought things through (I'm referring to overly optimistic people here, not Ps in general).
I think they just don't know that sometimes life is shitty / hard and that you don't really have to say "just keep truckin'", you just have to say that you understand their pain (or at least can imagine it). It's discouraging because they tell you to deny your emotions, which is unnatural and very difficult for an INFJ. And on that note, I understand. -
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Re: A P's take on life.
Mon, August 10, 2009 - 10:37 PMMy husband is an ENTP and he studies the deeper things in life but doesn't like to deal with things that actually trigger an emotion in him (the in the trenches stuff or personally relating his studies to an individual). I study the same stuff but tend naturally relate to the same information in a more pragmatic way. It's hard for him to feel things because he just isn't wired the same way so he hasn't gotten used to trusting the little that he does feel. Actually as he is getting older and from us rubbing off on each other for years he is trusting his feelings a lot more these days (especially when I ask for "I" statements to draw his global theories into his emotions or sensations).
There is a gift of not focusing so much on my feelings (I'm learning this from P's) I can sometimes take the hit of what I actually feel but then I can focus on where I want to be rather then focusing so much on where I am. P's do this naturally but tend to get overly focused on this which can lead to lack of empathy for others and lack of seeing the nuts and bolts part of the picture.
)))"It's discouraging because they tell you to deny your emotions"(((
Agghh! Is that the, "Get over it" or "Snap out of it" line. I really didn't like those lines. But now I understand why they say it. They sometimes feel so uncomfortable because they can't relate to what is going on and they think they can just ignore it into compliance. We know that if it is ignored it is only putting a happy face on an empty gas tank. -
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Re: A P's take on life.
Wed, August 12, 2009 - 11:06 AMSometimes it's "get over it", sometimes its "snap out of it". In both cases it's irritating. -
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Re: A P's take on life.
Thu, August 13, 2009 - 11:14 AMAmen! I love to research things to minutiae and make logical deductions but then I make almost ALL decisions based on my sensations or inner feeling (hard to explain this to "snap out of it" people).
An E??P once said to me, "Your logic is sound and you make so much sense as we march up the mountain of understanding together, then suddenly you fly and I have no idea why or how." -
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Re: A P's take on life.
Fri, August 14, 2009 - 7:01 AMThat's awesome. I love that quote!
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