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I know a few people and a close friend who are ISxx. My friend is an ISFJ, I work with an ISTJ and I know a few ISxx.
I am curious if anyone else finds the IS type to be very assertive,sometimes very aggressive and definitely more of a type A personality.
They seem very intense in leisure and work.
I would like to know others experiences of interactions with this type to see if I am off base in my perception.
I would never call an ISxx laid back, but maybe it's just the ones I know?
I am curious if anyone else finds the IS type to be very assertive,sometimes very aggressive and definitely more of a type A personality.
They seem very intense in leisure and work.
I would like to know others experiences of interactions with this type to see if I am off base in my perception.
I would never call an ISxx laid back, but maybe it's just the ones I know?
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Re: ISxx interactions
Mon, September 28, 2009 - 7:35 PMISxJs are not very laid back. ISxPs are pretty laid back.
Many ISxJs are accountants, or deal with small details. They often have set schedules and their primary function is Introverted Sensing. They therefore see little details very clearly, which others are often not as practiced in noticing, mainly because other personalities do not find the small details like decimal points important. Therefore, when an ISxJ asks for something specific and does not get the detailed response, he/she may react somewhat angrily.
They are tense because they foresee the little details that people miss turn a project into a disaster. -
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Mon, September 28, 2009 - 8:20 PMWell that makes sense.
My friend owns her own business and it is very detail oriented, she also gets really angry about housecleaning and seems a bit neurotic about it even though she has a gazillion pets, she leaves "to do" lists for her husband and gets really upset when those things are not done. She is really into her sports cars and has to have them detailed every other week. She's a lot of fun but she does put a lot of effort into the details of everything. One thing I don't like about her personality is she is very overtly sexual and makes a big fuss about presenting herself that way. If she sees a man she thinks is attractive she will say so and then will be very graphic about body functions and it's more of a repulsion and sort of turn off when she does that. She thinks she's being fun and sexy and outrageous but it makes me cringe. She reminds me of the character "Samantha" from Sex in the City.
The woman I work with (ISTJ) is always angry and it always revolves around her having to do something she thinks someone else should do or should have done. She also doesn't like people very much and openly says it. One day I actually couldn't take it anymore and I said " well you know what...people don't like you either" I later explained my frustration and apologized and tried to tell her how her attitude affected everyone, she said she didn't care.
My Aunt is ISFJ and she is a bit smothering and micromanages everything she can get her hands on. I love her dearly but I'm thankful she lives in another state.
My sister in law is an ISFJ also and she is the domestic CEO. I asked my brother ( ESTP) once something about their son and he said " I don't know, that's not my job, ask Laura" and that's the way they work. I was shocked, a bit insulted and confused. This is so opposite of the way I think, feel and work.
Are ISxP's that much different? My experiences are leading me to the conclusion that "ISxx" is high maintenance and emotionally draining for me. How are ISxP's different from ISxJ's in your experience? -
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Re: ISxx interactions
Tue, September 29, 2009 - 5:06 PMYour friend sounds like an ESTP.
ISTPs are tough minded and do not like to go along with the crowd. If they see something they don't like or something gets boring, they just won't do it (even sometimes if required). They are very open and do not usually want to discuss their opinion with others. They often are disheveled, but have very good senses and notice funny smells and colors really well.
I know this because by roommate for two years was an ISTP. My mother is as well. They are very quiet, and quite easy to get along with. They are definitely different than ISxJs, in that schedules hinder their interests and leave them inflexible. They are probably the most objective people I have met. -
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Tue, September 29, 2009 - 5:16 PMMy friend is definitely an ISFJ and my co worker an ISTJ.
Thanks for the input on ISTP, what about ISFP's, are they more open with their opinions? -
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Re: ISxx interactions
Wed, September 30, 2009 - 2:36 PMIt is likely ISFPs are more open with their opinions, since you can make them feel guilty. They tend to work in the lower grades and love children and are great artists/composers.
That is just info from a website.
I think I have me one in my life. She is the nicest person ever.
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Re: ISxx interactions
Wed, September 30, 2009 - 10:19 PMThis is a great post! I had a roommate that I didn't get along with who was ISTJ, and a roommate I loved who was ISTP. What a difference one letter makes! I found the ISTJ to be aggressive and insulting (not so much assertive), yet not a type A personality because type A personalities get things done, whereas this roommate was all talk and that's it. They may claim to be laid back, but I find that "S" personalities are very sensitive and slow to forget those who have wronged them. In that respect, they can't be laid back because they "care too much". They may seem distant because they do not share all their opinions unless they trust you, or if you ask them specifically about their opinions. However, I have also always felt that "S" personalities like to be the center of attention, sometimes at any cost including insulting other people in public.
As an INFJ, it is hard for me to undestand "S" personalities, but I try my best to befriend people even if I don't completely understand them. -
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Thu, October 1, 2009 - 9:58 PMI totally agree with this:
"I have also always felt that "S" personalities like to be the center of attention, sometimes at any cost including insulting other people in public."
I have the same actually experiences with all the "S" types I know. That's interesting. I wonder why, or what that's about. -
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Thu, October 1, 2009 - 10:00 PMI meant I actually have had the same experiences.....
I could be developing some form of dyslexia. I have been noticing that I have been jumbling my words lately, like my hands can't type as fast as my mind is moving, something like that anyways. -
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Wed, October 28, 2009 - 1:10 PMEd, could you please give some more real-life details about ISTP? Why do you think they're the most objective type? in what way are they more objective than INTJ, for instance? I have some trouble deciding somebody's type (ISTP or INTJ), which is something seldom happens to me, but this particular person has spent more than 10 years married to an INFJ and I suppose he developed good introverted intuition. He doesn't look like a textbook extraverted sensor, but I can't see him as an INTJ , either. I don't know if it's scientifically proved that intensive living with people of a certain type makes one develop other functions, but my guess is it does, especially when those functions are one's tertiary and inferiour. -
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Wed, October 28, 2009 - 6:31 PMMore ISTP details:
ISTP vs. INTJ
-ISTPs are more playful and just less serious than INTJs-ISTPs may be forgetful about getting little things done, where as the INTJ is much more thorough in jobs.
-ISTPs have an immense store of random facts in their heads-like they can vividly remember a scene in a show and give details of what was in the scene and what its characters said. INTJs notice patterns as opposed to facts and tend to be more philosophical and talk about theories.
-It takes time to notice when someone is an INTJ or an ISTP. I would say that ISTPs can lose attention much faster than INTJs. INTJs are much more careful in choosing their words and use qualifiers in their statements much more.
-Example of sentence from an ISTP regarding taxes: "This tax law basically says you can get 10% exemption."
-Example of sentence from an INTJ regarding taxes: "This tax law, with the exception of clause A, most of the time will help you get a 10% exemption; that is, if you pay you income tax on time."
-INTJs are more careful with their words and will use the root derivatives of words more often (i.e. the origin of the word from the Latin language)-they talk like Judges. -
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Re: ISxx interactions
Thu, October 29, 2009 - 4:07 AMOk, thnx. The guy does notice patterns, but there are some things that he misses, while I don't (objective observation :) or at least I sense the outcome of some action or the reasons behind something faster than he does.
He's very careful with words, but he's specialized for a long time in humanities, so that might explain it (BTW, does the choice of this field sound more INTJ or ISTP to you?).
He loses interest in something relatively fast ... be it professional or some other kind of activity (faster that I do - for instance, I'm rather bad at starting things up, but , once I am on track, I am thorough and I always finish things, actually I enjoy the core and the completion part a lot more; concrete example: when initiating a project or something, whether or not I'm captivated by the subject, I start with a relatively clear and whole image in mind and I work on expanding on it or on getting analytical, while he gathers all sorts of data from various sources and then strives to put it together, generally having some trouble with 'building the whole'; I'd say I'm more synthetical than he is).
He's not particularly philosophical, but he likes metaphisically-flavored things, so to speak; it's not that he's not interested at all in things that one cannot perceive via the 5 senses.
My guess is 60% ISTP and 40% INTJ (oh, my, do I by any chance sound like an ISTP? :-D). But which of the 2 types is more likely to be compatible with the INFJ? (at least on the surface ... they seem similar or at least complementary, although I know they're different on a deeper level and on the long run this gets obvious) -
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Re: ISxx interactions
Thu, October 29, 2009 - 8:31 PMHe might be an INTP.
Perceivers (P) tend to lose interest more quickly in a topic.
I think the ISTP is more compatible with the INFJ in the long run. An INTJ and INFJ together to me seems like it would get too "stuffy" and boring after a while (no offense to Shif).
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Re: ISxx interactions
Fri, October 30, 2009 - 2:49 AMNo, he's definitely not an INTP. I recognize introverted intuition there, that's why I suspect he's an ISTP who developed his tertiary more than one would normally expect because of his being with the INFJ.
A! something that might be relevant : while most introv. intuitives I know (even some ENTJs) perform much better in writing than orally, with this guy it's vice versa. I assume introverted perceiving function makes one give one's best in writing .. the majority of dom. Ne-s and Se-s I know are better in front of a concrete public who can give them immediate feedback, not with an abstract public in their heads (I don't know aout Si-s..., but it's generally true about Ni-s). Have you noticed the same thing? -
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Fri, October 30, 2009 - 5:53 AMI understand what you mean by a developed tertiary function. I have my experience with an ESTP. She has developed her tertiary function (introverted-intuiting) very well because she was an Engineering major for two and a half years, meaning she took very high level mathematics, until she switched to marketing for her major. She could definitely appear as an ENFJ at first sight, but after a while, one could tell by her playfulness that she is an ESTP.
I do believe intuitives function allows one to perform his best in writing. However, my roommate ISTP was also very good at communicating in writing. I think it is more of a quality of introverts in general, because of their being charged by being alone writing.
I am not sure about the speaking thing.
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Re: ISxx interactions
Fri, October 30, 2009 - 6:46 AMNone taken.
That does happen, but I think we all have our moments.
I had a very boring relationship with someone I suspect was an ESFP, there just wasn't much there for me to connect with, I couldn't share the depth of my personality with that person but we did have a good time. Very entertaining.
I think that as we get older our priorities and needs in a relationship change. To some degree I think everyone is like this but as an INFJ I know that my priorities shift quite a bit. I think this can be confusing to others because it appears inconsistent, but the core values always remain the same.
My INTJ and I disagree a lot and we can discuss things other people would be enraged or overly sensitive about and it's comforting to be able to discuss "anything" without the fear of resentment or rejection. I like that he's not sensitive to my moods and perceptions and "philosophical moments".
I will agree that I need other personality types to push me out of my funks or past my comfort zones to enable personal growth. He doesn't do that, he thinks I'm just fine the way I am and that can get a bit boring because I need a good shove sometimes. -
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Re: ISxx interactions
Fri, October 30, 2009 - 11:27 AMYou're right about the need to be pushed out of comfort zones through engaging in interaction with very different types.
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