http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#8f816515-0889-46e9-a6a9-db2bad234535 Thanks anon, I have a friend who is INFJ and I don't know if she would consider herself all that judgmental but she does have aggressively judgmental friends. I am very sensitive to my judgmental-ness (as opposed to simple discernment) and work on it daily. Don't think I'm more so then the next person but am more sensitive to it (and rarely mention out loud because I know it is usually my issue and I try very hard to work on it there first). I am more logical minded and like rules and can end relationships if they get unhealthy (less forgiving?) but usually I'll end it after trying hard with it for many many years (read: work intensely on myself around the relationship/work problem). I'm all or nothing (either in 100% or out 100% either an A grade or fail) but - most likely because of the "I"?? - people just see me as stable, supportive/inspiring and happy. **"maybe because the extraverted feeling of INFJ makes us want to be on good terms with everybody"** Definitely relate to this, Anon. Think that is why I like rules too - you then know what to expect and when you follow rules and are on good terms with people you actually tend to disappear from the radar :D Yet, still positive thoughts are beaming out to you and you can call on people if you need to or hide away and do your own thing. Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:16:13 GMT http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#8f816515-0889-46e9-a6a9-db2bad234535 Michelle 2009-07-13T17:16:13Z http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#33a512c4-b961-4d38-b821-2aa2ecd142c1 Just from that you "don't mind if others don't"....sounds like an INFP. Not to confuse more, sorry! Although I read that INFPs are not necessarily less judgmental - just less likely to express their judgments. But I'm not sure that's true...the ones I know seem pretty nonjudgmental through and through, at least compared to myself. Oddly, I think INFJs can be more forgiving...INFPs seem to hold a grudge/cut people off more, but not actually cause a conflict...maybe because the extraverted feeling of INFJ makes us want to be on good terms with everybody. Someone else might have a different experience of this... Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:26:47 GMT http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#33a512c4-b961-4d38-b821-2aa2ecd142c1 Rachel 2009-07-13T00:26:47Z http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#e2880f46-076e-4eb0-8432-3d69bd3c0235 Oh no, I wasn't confused before but now I am getting there! I am known as (appear) laid back, peaceful and am accepting of others like a P but when it comes to myself I am extremely ethical and enjoy knowing the boundaries and working within them (but don't mind if others don't). Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:50:31 GMT http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#e2880f46-076e-4eb0-8432-3d69bd3c0235 Michelle 2009-07-11T04:50:31Z http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#92a9a6e7-f4a5-45d9-af27-123122b01984 Danny, If you are very self conscious, hard on yourself, and kind of a perfectionist, you are probably an INFJ. The J part of your personality makes you feel a sense of needing to close things. You probably do not forget things often sometimes get overextended with people because you feel that if you do not help them, you are hurting them emotionally. These are signs that you are an INFJ. INFPs tend to be very quiet and have a peaceful and somewhat laid back manner. They are not very physical at all, like INFJs, and are very forgiving. INFJs are not always so forgiving of themselves or others. If they do not show it, they are internalizing it. INFPs are conscientious of themselves and their actions, but not to the point of an INFJ. INFJs will also tend to look at situations more so in a way that is negative, and often see the worst case scenario (at least I do) in things they view as somewhat risky. INFPs will go with the flow a little more. INFPs tend to be a little more forgetful, not because they are lazy or dumb, but because they do not often view especially little things as super important, so they will just not worry about it. An INFJ will be bothered internally if certain little things do not get done, and will let that little thing bother them until they get it done. To put it simply, if an INFJ and an INFP were getting picked on, they INFJ will take it very personally and try to see what is wrong with him and may develop an internal dislike towards that part of them getting picked on or the person instigating. An INFP will be sensitive at first, but will eventually let it go more easily and not let it get to them as much. I hope this helps Danny. Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:32:35 GMT http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#92a9a6e7-f4a5-45d9-af27-123122b01984 $item.owner.firstName 2009-07-10T15:32:35Z http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#a4ea9cf0-40a4-487b-9e49-6325884b924a I took the MBTI for the first time about 15 years ago and was an INFP. Five years later I tested again and have been an INFJ since (with a low J score). I found the following link fairly informative regarding the J/P difference. http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/judging-or-perceiving.asp Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:09:32 GMT http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#a4ea9cf0-40a4-487b-9e49-6325884b924a Nathan 2009-07-10T15:09:32Z http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#4d276f4f-c9b5-4b5a-a4e0-7fb2fd5c0753 Interesting posts guys! I love going into the nitty-gritty of this stuff :) It's fun and informative and then - as when we discuss any duality - it gets back to the zen idea "It is but it is not" or "It is not but then it is" Sat, 16 May 2009 22:35:37 GMT http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#4d276f4f-c9b5-4b5a-a4e0-7fb2fd5c0753 Michelle 2009-05-16T22:35:37Z http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#0941601c-4369-4971-a0dd-cffac7849651 OK, I do not have hard scientific evidence nor am I a licensed MBTI practitioner, so I do not have the authority to proclaim what is possible ant what is not. Everything I say is based only on my subjected experience, which is... limited. Anyway, I have never seen anyone permanently changing their preferences, so at least it is not common from my point of view. If you can provide me a genuine example I might reconsider. Why do we need both F processes? Well, what's the use of my sharing ability if I got nothing to share? :) My preference comes from which part of the process do I enjoy more, rather then how well it is currently developed. Even if you have pretty equaly developed abilities you might still feel a little bit "in sync" and "out of sync" when using them. Another hint is what choice do you make if you have no time to think about it? Is it consistent? What is your ideal self image? By the way, I have found a great example of Fe vs Fi performance. Two very talented girls, singing the same song, but with quite a different attitude :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B91vhvoZ_HI vs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzQQ3Z_CNvc Can you guess their feeling preferences? Thu, 14 May 2009 19:34:50 GMT http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#0941601c-4369-4971-a0dd-cffac7849651 Tamagochi 2009-05-14T19:34:50Z http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#4a845209-d1ae-4d43-a9f8-1cec58bea28b Tamagochi: "And the last thing – we all have both introverted and extraverted feelings. It’s not a box which we are supposed to fill. It’s just a preference for one style or the other, something like a personal signature that you leave on life." <first off, this may sound like criticism, but it's really just me restating what you have said in my own words in order to make it clear to you what my understanding is so you can correct me if I've misunderstoody> Okay, this is what confuses me. One the one hand you seem to say that there's a huge difference between INFJ and INFP (introverted vs. extraverted feeling) and that people have to be one or the other, not both. On the other hand you say that people have both intraverted and extraverted feelings, and that they have a preference for one style over the other. Is it possible that this preference can be very weak and inconsistent? Thu, 14 May 2009 14:31:08 GMT http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#4a845209-d1ae-4d43-a9f8-1cec58bea28b Waylon 2009-05-14T14:31:08Z http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#7e9d8b58-a78b-4ae6-a4f3-0eecc90b395b My initial reaction to your question was "well, it's obvious" :)) But I guess it needs more explaining than that. There is a saying that describes the essence of extraverted feeling (Fe): “wearing your heart on your sleeve”. Anyone can look at it and anyone can love or hurt it at any moment. Do you remember Forest Gump sitting at the bus stop and telling his whole life story away to complete strangers? A friend of mine (I believe she is ENFJ) who has the strongest Fe expression I have ever seen in anyone thus describes it: “everything you ever experience, everything you ever do exists for the sole purpose so you could share your feelings about it either immediately or later.” That of course is Fe taken to the extreme, but think about the following deal: someone offers you a free luxurious round the world trip, but on one strange condition – you can never tell anyone or communicate in any other way what you will experience there, not even to your family. Would you take it? People who prefer introverted feeling (Fi) have their hearts set in their proper place :) For them a feeling is valuable all by itself – like an asset. And they tend to protect their assets (like anon124 mentioned) from a harmful influence. I remember seeing good Fi examples in movies “The Motorcycle Diaries”, “Seven Pounds”, “Million dollar baby”. Try comparing them to Amelie ;) A real life example is another friend of mine, who enjoys listening to trip-hop music. He passionately listens to and collects recordings of bands I have never heard of, but he never speaks of how does it make him feel. If someone asks, he says that he enjoys that style of music and that you’ll have to listen yourself to understand. When meeting a new person I can usually detect his or her preferences almost immediately. But as I think of it now – it’s hard for me to name these things :) As a general rule of thumb, Fe people enjoy telling how they feel and inquire this in others (but only if they detect you sincere), while Fi people are most comfortable when discussing about values in life. Interestingly enough when under the influence of alcohol people’s preferences become reversed. Heard the song “You Only Tell Me You Love Me When You're Drunk”? And the last thing – we all have both introverted and extraverted feelings. It’s not a box which we are supposed to fill. It’s just a preference for one style or the other, something like a personal signature that you leave on life. Wed, 13 May 2009 21:55:16 GMT http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#7e9d8b58-a78b-4ae6-a4f3-0eecc90b395b Tamagochi 2009-05-13T21:55:16Z http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#8bde6677-480d-411a-bd68-598ce60bc8b1 Question for the two of you: How then do you tell whether someone has introverted or extraverted feeling? Wed, 13 May 2009 13:45:31 GMT http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#8bde6677-480d-411a-bd68-598ce60bc8b1 Waylon 2009-05-13T13:45:31Z http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#d5746b02-a808-46a2-b761-26af68fa30c9 **"P's generally daydream a good deal and J's are more action oriented."** I am a strong J but I love to day dream for play and to work on things. I 'm also not so physically action oriented because after a few days of daydream/drawing something I can usually decide the scope of the situation and often decide against expending that much energy on it - I know I will have to finish anything I start. Husband is an ENTP so he has enough unfinished projects around the house, lol. I can appear to flow like any P but sometimes it is just to make others feel more comfortable (my empathic nature) because actually my mind tends to enjoy a bit more structure (I too enjoy being on time or a bit early). I feel most free when I know the parameters and boundaries because if I play within them I disappear from the radar :) Husband likes to break boundaries just because they are there, lol. I call myself a pragmatic romantic probably the pragmatic part comes from the J? Tue, 12 May 2009 17:38:53 GMT http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#d5746b02-a808-46a2-b761-26af68fa30c9 Michelle 2009-05-12T17:38:53Z http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#4d2ebff5-094d-4fb3-94f4-043f32084dfd I'm with you...I know plenty of INFPs and the differences are clear. Extraverted Feeling and Introverted Feeling (this goes into the preferred processes thing) seem very different to me (I've invaded invisible boundaries with INFPs and...wow, you don't want to do that)! But maybe that is just because I'm strongly INFJ. Tue, 12 May 2009 16:36:00 GMT http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#4d2ebff5-094d-4fb3-94f4-043f32084dfd Rachel 2009-05-12T16:36:00Z http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#5ed5dc16-76b1-433c-a817-7137179929a9 You kicked Vicky out? :) I wonder what she has done to deserve it? Anyway her site www.infjorinfp.com has some good insights which I support. My personal experience tells me that there is A VAST difference between J and P. There is no way a person could switch back and forth with it. My boss is INFP and his methods irritate me as hell sometimes. It takes ages for him to decide on something and he's a poor time manager (a function of Ni) - something that I can do almost without thought. Then there's the whole feeling issue: P's have it introverted, while J's have it extroverted. Thus it's hard to imagine INFP giving an inspirational speech for a group of people, while for me inspiring people is the essense of leadership. Mon, 11 May 2009 22:15:41 GMT http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#5ed5dc16-76b1-433c-a817-7137179929a9 Tamagochi 2009-05-11T22:15:41Z http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#3ad58279-5907-4f36-8c3f-1e0622cf2382 I'd agree, especially with action-orientedness and decisiveness. Also, with INFPs I know, there seems to be a major hesitance to address conflict - so it gets avoided/ignored. Now we know INFJs don't like conflict either, but seem more direct in addressing it so that we can move on and get back to harmony. Does that resonate? Wed, 11 Feb 2009 01:34:47 GMT http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#3ad58279-5907-4f36-8c3f-1e0622cf2382 Rachel 2009-02-11T01:34:47Z http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#f896a796-e370-4a01-8e66-58fb82d2db7e Interesting take on the subject. I like it :) It makes sense in many ways. Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:00:51 GMT http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#f896a796-e370-4a01-8e66-58fb82d2db7e Michael 2009-01-16T15:00:51Z http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#08c6677b-7eb4-4342-9e81-ea838b1595c3 Initially, I would ask someone who has never taken a test if they like to be on time. If it stresses them out if they are late. If yes, then you are a J. However, I have noticed that in a more interaction-based way, P's tend to like people, whereas J's only like certain people and stay away from types that they are cautious of. At the same time because P's like people and don't filter as much, end up being hurt a lot and are more often expressing their sensitivities when they've been hurt by people they care about. P's generally daydream a good deal and J's are more action oriented. Thu, 01 Jan 2009 01:37:32 GMT http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#08c6677b-7eb4-4342-9e81-ea838b1595c3 Nicole 2009-01-01T01:37:32Z http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#eed5d40f-1f51-4ef3-a033-7d1f5c0e51cf Perhaps P's adapt themselves to a situation and J's try to adapt the situation to themselves? Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:44:21 GMT http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#eed5d40f-1f51-4ef3-a033-7d1f5c0e51cf Waylon 2008-12-30T17:44:21Z http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#9bc412f4-235b-42b1-9073-0b9ac0bce9bb I fall right at the border between J and P myself, though I'm willing to bet that I'll shift towards INFP as I grow older. As I understand it, J types are more rigid, concrete thinkers, whereas P types are more whimsical, fluid thinkers. Either way, INFx morals and ethics are very strong; incorruptabilty is our greatest asset and our greatest weakness. Michael's response is a little bit difficult to follow; to paraphrase, "P's MAKE the best of a situation, whereas J's THINK about how to make the best of a situation"? We all see possibilities; I'd wager that a P is simply more able to adapt than a J to a completely different tack, due to a lack of rigidity in following a set course. There are strengths to both approaches to life... J's make more obvious leaders, for one :) Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:34:33 GMT http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#9bc412f4-235b-42b1-9073-0b9ac0bce9bb KingOfDreams 2008-12-24T15:34:33Z http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#3ab0b7c9-0e9e-4a96-9c77-5c84a438998d One common trait to the INFJ personality is the ability to portray traits of similar personalities - Such as the extravertive-feeling. Other things such as social mimicing and the like, might throw you off a bit as to your personality analysis. I lingered in personality mimicing in High School. I won over a lot of people; they were constantly saying things like, "You're Jim, Mike!" Perceptive or Judgemental....The difference is whether you see things as they are and take the best out of them (my rough interperetation), or you see somethihng and wonder how it could be better. *Please let me know if I'm clashing with any of your opinions* That is my understanding. P - "Oh....well, OK, cool." J - "Huh...why?" Wed, 24 Dec 2008 06:56:27 GMT http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#3ab0b7c9-0e9e-4a96-9c77-5c84a438998d Michael 2008-12-24T06:56:27Z http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#2ceccb2f-d63a-4d84-a67b-2924525839ba I think it is possible to fall on the border. Four years ago I was inbetween a F/T but now i m a pretty strong F. Now i m falling inbetween a J/P. Sat, 20 Dec 2008 03:50:50 GMT http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#2ceccb2f-d63a-4d84-a67b-2924525839ba Deedush 2008-12-20T03:50:50Z http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#ed3b5714-2d1f-46aa-821a-baa4dc70266e The only difference that I can see would be that "P" enjoy more than more option. "J" - good or bad... one option. (I do the same stupid thing all the time. Even when I know beter.) Personally, I could test and be "everything" depending on my mood that day. I don't really believe too much in the tests anymore but it's more like an "additude" to me. For me, if Morals, Ethics and Standing up for Individual Rights or Equality speaks to you... your an INFJ to me. (A little fighter) Just my point-of-view only. And it could be completly wrong. Oh yeah... and stubborn. (I am so bad at that) Sat, 20 Dec 2008 03:48:08 GMT http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#ed3b5714-2d1f-46aa-821a-baa4dc70266e Carol 2008-12-20T03:48:08Z http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#64b4c432-ffe9-43b1-af4e-1d6d97460104 This was enough to make me want to join this group. I have dealt with this person too many times in the past. I'm not one for "punishment" but also, not one for headaches either. Very Awesome! Sat, 20 Dec 2008 03:36:25 GMT http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#64b4c432-ffe9-43b1-af4e-1d6d97460104 Carol 2008-12-20T03:36:25Z http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#e700ffd8-c28a-4fdb-accb-2585da2858a8 I'm personally inclined to agree with Nettle and say that it's perfectly possible to fall in between types (since I don't see them as rigid boxes). However, I'm aware that there are those who say this is impossible, that people cannot fall in between because of something called tertiary and quaternary processes (whatever that means). If you're a glutton for punishment, one of these people is Vicky Jo (http://people.tribe.net/a98aedf4-a0ff-479b-9141-73213b564728) who is no longer allowed to be a member of this tribe but if you contact her she will likely be glad to explain to you at great length and very condescendingly just how wrong whatever you believe about yourself is and how you're really an ESTJ. I only bring this up because she has a webpage devoted to telling the difference between INFJ and INFP. http://www.infjorinfp.com/ Whether that's of any use to you or not I can't say. Fri, 30 May 2008 13:52:54 GMT http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#e700ffd8-c28a-4fdb-accb-2585da2858a8 Waylon 2008-05-30T13:52:54Z http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#3464dc8a-707e-4f24-83bf-4809cd79133e One can border with any aspect of the Meyer-Briggs. I've taken it several times and looked at the percentiles. I can go back and for with N/S and P/J although more often than not my results are N and J. With I and F my ranking is in the 90th percentile, no ambiguity there. Wed, 28 May 2008 21:52:51 GMT http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#3464dc8a-707e-4f24-83bf-4809cd79133e Nettle 2008-05-28T21:52:51Z http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#39795376-7a63-4013-b7b6-0db4622825e5 hi there. Iv been reading alot on both INFP's and J's lately and im still quite up in the air to which i am. While im well aware their are differences its still hard to distinguish. Iv done tests and things and they say im a INJP, but iv had my doubts. has any one else had this problem aswell? any ideas on how i can tell which i am? dan Wed, 28 May 2008 19:09:13 GMT http://infj.tribe.net/thread/7a65fe93-2be3-4560-9e09-d8f42c1b7250#39795376-7a63-4013-b7b6-0db4622825e5 danny 2008-05-28T19:09:13Z